Editor’s note: Submitted below is an extensive look at Larry Sinclair’s alleged “evidence”. It’s a detailed piece but a significantly important report that takes a close look at Sinclair’s “modus operendi”. The author of this piece calls Sinclair “SinLiar”.
Submitted by Where’s the proof Larry? on Wednesday, 27 January 2010
Chow down your popcorn and try to bear with me as it’s a long post. Sorry for that but this subject requires some detailed explanation. Hopefully, you’ll find it worth while and a good send off to SinLiar before he runs for it to get away from law enforcement closing in on him.
There are only two pieces of document evidence SinLiar has ever submitted to support his alleged liaison with Obama in Chicago: the Choice Hotels Privileges statement and the subsequent Choice Privileges points claim for the evening of Nov 7th after the original statement got debunked when it didn’t include Nov 7th. I’d like to review them. Here they are for your quick reference again:
As of July 2008, here’s what we had already found out about these documents:
The Choice Hotels executive Mitch spoke with said that of all the information available to Choice Hotel customers, the Privileges Points statement information is the least reliable. They laughed when Mitch asked them if it could be used as evidence in court. Hypothetically, SinLiar could have made the reservation for a family member and ANYONE could have shown up and checked into the hotel. Choice Hotels maintains that points may be rewarded without the “proof” of a hotel receipt. This occurs when the person calling waits a year or more to report their stay to Choice. As we all know, Larry has never produced a true receipt for his stay and neither has the hotel. Further, if there’s any bickering with a customer, they quickly just give them the benefit of the doubt and award the points. But we know from SinLiar’s track record of recorded phone calls that he never bickers with anyone – even the White House staff!!
To prove one was in a hotel on a certain day, even if Larry had a receipt – which he does not, that doesn’t cut it as proof. For example, one would also need to see the signature of the person signed in and verify that against other signatures and one would need a witness that could identify seeing them there. Otherwise, it remains unproven. Larry has none of that so he was already well short of the mark even if what he provided was legitimate but as you’ll see below, it was never legitimate as evidence.
On July 15th, 2008, Mitch posted a report from a private investigator who went to Choice Hotels on M&N’s behalf when we questioned various pieces of data on these documents.
The private investigator established with Choice Hotels what we suspected all along: that some of the hotel points provided to SinLiar on that statement relating to Chicago had been for stays that had NEVER been invoiced. Choice Hotels added that some of those points had been added more than a year after the stay but they couldn’t tell when. They said that they were added sometime between a year after November, 1999 and the date of the private investigator’s visit on July 6, 2008.
The private investigator concluded that there was “NO evidence that Sinclair was at the Comfort Suites when he claimed to have been” and “These statements appear to have been a well crafted forgery”
With all due respect to the private investigator, I take exception to the words “appear” and “well crafted” as I think we can prove it’s bogus evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.
One other historical item to add that I made reference to above: When SinLiar originally came out with his story, the dates and timeline was questioned. I remember this well on his first site (before WordPress) or on Youtube. In fact, what the posters established there was that his story didn’t add up with the hotel dates he originally provided. There were not enough hotel dates to cover his second encounter with Obama. Mysteriously and amazingly, when the posters logic couldn’t be refuted, the second set of Hotel points claims appeared. I think some of you will recall this. As of July, 2008, we had crudely established motive, means and opportunity and the “appearance” of a “well crafted forgery”. But in fact, as it turns out, we already “had” considerably more.
Proof of how recent those documents actually got produced
After migrating back up from Mexico in 2006, where he apparently was wanted for questioning about his Mexican Mafia buddies, by mid 2007, SinLiar was wearing out his welcome and soon departed Laredo, TX in the wake of his bad check to Janet Bowman and her statement of claim for recovery and an incident at a hotel that was and probably still is under investigation. In early September, 2007, SinLiar found himself busted and in jail for disorderly conduct in Kershaw County, SC. In late September, he put in an insurance claim for $4,600+ in damages to his car in Maryland and then five or so days later filed a theft claim for that same bashed up car in Delaware that had the insurance companies wondering what was going on (and they probably still are). In mid October, 2007, SinLiar passed $2,700+ in counterfeit money orders on to the Delaware motel manager that we all came to appreciate after the arrest that ended SinLiar’s June 2008 press conference. SinLiar was pretty darn busy and mobile for a “totally disabled” guy collecting disability! But the police visit to his Delaware motel room of October 27th had to spook him and obviously he wasn’t around when they came back. So the Delaware Grand Jury got called and made up an “invitation” for him to return that got served at the end of his June 2008 press conference and that ultimately cost SinLiar’s sheep thousands in restitution and legal bills.
We have it on pretty good authority that SinLiar had found a place to rent in Delaware and had signed a lease. He’d also received temporary money from Delaware to help with his living expenses at the motel and all signs pointed to him getting covered by Delaware SSA. So this money order business (I mean SinLiar!) messed up SinLiar’s plans and he had to make an hasty exit from Delaware after late October, 2007. Time proved he had little intention of paying back the Delaware motel manager on his own as he basically disappeared with a word.
“I moved to Laredo Texas from Tepic, Nayarit, Mexico in February 2006. I left Laredo on August 27, 2007 with the plan of returning to the DC/Maryland area or the New York areas. Spent a couple of months visiting with friends I had not seen for several years in GA., SC, NC, VA, DE, and PA and NJ. I got to the point where I did not care to pay that much money for rent. So I started driving to Ohio, then Indiana, then to IL an on to Iowa and then up to minnesota and fell in love with the architecture and decided to stay. So you go a head on and tell your little fake story about me in Texas. ” Larry SinLiar, Mar 20, 2008 on his website
The statement isn’t entirely true because it looked like his living arrangements in Delaware were going to be pretty cheap with the state kicking in and he apparently signed a lease to stay to confirm that decision. What is true is that he moved on and eventually wound up in Duluth, MN in late 2007. And from his description above, you can tell that he hadn’t spent any time there before.
Now after all that background, look at the address on the original attached Choice hotels points statement. It’s Duluth, MN. SinLiar, by his own account above isn’t likely to have arrived in Duluth until mid November or later (December as I vaguely recall): “So I started driving to Ohio, then Indiana, then to IL an on to Iowa and then up to minnesota” – which had to have taken time to find which state SSA office would make an easy mark for continuing to provide him SSA dollars. Duluth, MN “won” that contest.
Let me state that again for absolute clarity: the ORIGINAL Choice hotels statement SinLiar provided as “proof” was mailed to an address that didn’t exist for SinLiar until around the middle of Nov 2007 – at the earliest – months after he started to shake down the Obama campaign!
But as we should recall, that original statement was missing the subsequent Choice Hotel points SinLiar needed to make his story work after we had debunked the original Choice Hotel statement in January/February, 2008. Therefore, those missing Choice Hotel points claims HAD to have come AFTER he was in Duluth because they weren’t on the first statement and very likely after we’d debunked his first statements. In other words, he amended Choice Hotel points in the first quarter or so of 2008 for a stay that happened more than eight years before! He didn’t disclose to anyone what he did to produce those second set of documents. And he thinks that serves as “proof” ??? What a pathetic stupid joke!
That’s the first major eyebrow raiser that was new to me when I looked this stuff over.
Additionally, when one does such a thing, and then tries to pass it off without disclosing how it came about, that’s fraud/deception/forgery when money is involved (”Make Noise and click my PayPal”) – or whatever you want to call it, it stinks. Clearly, SinLiar was up to his old, life long tricks as a career fraudulent felon. But this time, his mark was a candidate for President of the United States and whatever the American people he could sucker into believing him.
Dates on the Original Statement
The purpose of a statement is to show what a situation looked like at a particular point in time. Therefore, the dating of when the statement actually got produced is normally standard data processing practice. In fact, the date of production is very important and why we commonly see them on statements. But we don’t have that with SinLiar’s original statement. Did the copy we saw have it erased to hide the fact that it was printed after he made his claim?
Secondly, look at the dates on the original statement. They’re not in order. Take it from a guy whose been in the computer business for decades – that’s unusual. Something happened to have it appear out of sort order for transactions months apart and therefore, the data isn’t very likely to have arrived in the same order as those dates happened but there’s a couple of months activity jammed in between two November dates. It’s very suspicious. Somebody was very likely messing with that information before that statement got printed. It suggests an unusual timing problem with the acquisition and storage of that data. It wouldn’t show up on most customers statements because the data automatically flows to them within 72 hours according to the warning printed on the statement (”please allow 72 hrs for the points to appear” – paraphrased).
The next thing that’s funky about that original statement, and I/someone may well have mentioned this before to Mitch or on the site, is the activity dates. The activity dates entered to generate the report are printed as a date range between “10-01-99 and 12-31-99″. So why does the activity section below include August and September 1999 activity when it only takes the hotel 72 hours to post the points? Again, it’s another suspicious sign that someone has likely messed with the orderly flow of data or got it edited OR someone altered the original of that printed statement before presenting to the public (anyone know a career felon in fraud who might do such a thing?). Take your choice. Something smells pretty bad.
If that isn’t enough, there were other data flaws/concerns on those statements that we raised in July 2008 but in the interest of brevity, I won’t bog you down with them today.
The Timeline is still a Big Problem
Further, look at this map link:
According to his book, that’s the path Larry took to Chicago in the very recent days before his arrival there (if he is to be believed and we don’t but).
Late October: From South Carolina, drive to Colorado
Nov 1-2, in Alamosa, CO hotel
Nov 3-6, in Chicago, IL Hotel, etc
The zig-zag itinerary isn’t the most ideal from a practical point of view. What’s the reason for that when the guy doesn’t work (he’s “totally disabled” remember)? No job. No wife and kids. He didn’t really have to be anywhere except where he wanted to be if he wasn’t up to no good (like moving drugs ..).
Here’s the account from his book:
“Between September and the first of November, 1999, I kept in touch with Lee [Dukes, the godson he promised the media at his PC he wouldn't name - WTPL] while making [drug -WTPL] deliveries to his Uncle David. It was while on one of my trips to South Carolina in late October, 1999 (with permission from my Parole Officer) that I was informed of Lee’s impending graduation from the Great Lakes Navy Training Center on November 5, 1999. There was no time for me to return to Colorado and process a new travel permit through my parole officer [but he had time to hang out in Alamosa, CO for two nights after driving back rather than flying before heading to Chicago - WTPL], so I contacted his office and left a message on the voice mail system that I would be returning to Colorado from my South Carolina trip a couple of weeks late. What I did in actual reality was to drive back to Colorado, and flew out of Colorado Springs to Chicago via Salt Lake City & Louisville/Cincinnati, departing the evening of November 2, 1999 on Delta Airlines arriving at Chicago O’Hare the morning of November 3, 1999.” Page 34-35 of SinLiar’s book.
So he doesn’t have time for his parole officer while hanging out in Alamosa, CO (close to Pueblo, CO) for a couple of nights before he departs to Chicago. That account doesn’t add up easily either, does it?
But even if we ignore that, there’s much more that’s very substantial:
From his press conference
“I flew out of Colorado Springs, CO on November 2, 1999 arriving in O’Hare early in the morning of November 3″ Transcript of verbal statement by SinLiar at 06/18/08: National Press Conference
“I flew out of Colorado Springs, Colorado to Chicago on November 2, 1999, arriving in O’Hare early in the morning of November 3, 1999.”
06/18/08 National Press Conference Printed Statement to media
Many times during his radio interviews, SinLiar stressed that he arrived in Chicago very early in the morning of November 3rd, 1999.
Here’s the real problem those statements and his original Choice Hotel Points statement present:
The original Choice Hotel statement says that Larry stayed in Alamosa, CO on November 1st and November 2nd (evenings). Read that again and think about it. The statement SinLiar provided says that he was in a hotel in Alamosa, CO during the evening of November 2nd – not flying to Chicago on a red eye. Why pay for a room when you’re not going to be there and knew that many days in advance? SinLiar said he realized when and where he needed to be while he was in SC – well in advance of Nov 1st-2nd.
The latest Delta Airlines flight on the first Tuesday in November from Colorado Springs to anywhere towards Chicago that I can find going years back happens to go to Salt Lake City (a Delta hub). It’s flight DL 3821 which departs Colorado Springs at 6:55PM (latest time I could find). Now one might be late but they wouldn’t plan on being late when figuring their checkout time.
- Let’s say 1/2 hr for checkout, pack the car and gas up,
- 1/4hr for one stop to pee the Pepsi (drinking 36 Pepsi’s/day as he claims he does, during the waking hours, is about half a 24 of Pepsi’s while driving 5 plus hours so he’d have to stop a take a leak) and gas up again
- the drive from Alamosa, CO to the Colorado Spring airport is 5 hrs and 12 mins (roughly)
- and 3/4 hr to park, buy the ticket, check in, go through security and board.
That’s planning it really tight.
That would mean that the latest one would want to leave their hotel room in Alamosa, CO is to catch a departure from Colorado Springs at (6:55PM) is 12:13 pm with tight planning. Can anyone here imagine SinLiar agreeing to pay for another night for the privilege of staying 73 minutes beyond checkout time? Hardly. He’d sleep in his car before he’d do that. SinLiar’s timeline including Alamosa, CO for the night of November 2nd simply doesn’t make any sense. And he can’t be two places at once as the so called “proof” he provides suggests.
The Colorado Springs Airport basically shuts down for any departures by 10pm (when the FedEx courier flights leave). So even if we’re off by an hour or two with flight DL 3821, it’s not enough time to plan on staying the night in Alamosa, CO when he’s leaving for Chicago on a redeye.
There’s NO doubt that there’s some serious BS going down with SinLiar’s documents (like we’ve known all along). Something has definitely been forged or made up because they simply don’t jive. And those were the only two documents of ‘evidence’ that SinLiar ever submitted in the past two years to substantiate his Chicago claims about Obama. In other words, not only does SinLiar not have any proof. From the above, he doesn’t even have any evidence. No wonder he couldn’t ‘find’ any other documentation – it would be too much work to forge for someone “totally disabled”.
“Where’s the proof, Larry ?” has been my handle along with “Where’s the restraining orders” etc. After two years, most definitely, there is absolutely no proof.
Time to change my handle.
Maybe “Where’s the evidence, Larry?” because there isn’t any of that either.
Or maybe “Where’s the jailbird, Larry?” because it looks like his last bunch of scams are about to come to an end.
If SinLiar ever litigates against anyone in the next two years, nearly any American citizen probably has a semi-respectable counter claim. Because he tried to defraud the entire country.
As for the title of the blog, the document “proof” SinLiar provided proves it was a scam all along.
Gotta go. I’m off to email Choice Hotels to see if they’ll give SinLiar points for prison time !